Open the floodgates! (Nineball Neo-R flow valve)

At the time of this writing, as MK23 owners, we're pretty stuck for choice as to which nozzle we use in our pistol as no aftermarket replacement has yet to fall on our laps - and that's fine for now, after all, the nozzle does it's job pretty well and there isn't a whole load of reasons for it holding MK23 users back and for there need to be a new one... but... you can't blame us for leaving the door open to new innovations.

However, in the absence of a method to some how expand / improve the capacity of the nozzle, the nozzle port size and seal or even the jet of the nozzle tip, we are left with trying to find alternate means to increase the amount of propellant that travels out from the magazine, up through the nozzle and in to the barrel. If not for the pure FPS increase it would offer us, then for the extra efficiency of having a overvolumed system - especially in some of the more spruced up builds with longer / wider bore barrels.

Brother from another mother

Knowing that there is little we can do to change the size of the nozzle, we need to look at our MK23 much like an AEG by breaking down it's components to get a better idea of where we can improve it.

For the purpose of this article, we should assume the following for our MK23 components:

Magazine filled with a propellant: The AEG spring Magazine flow valve: The AEG cylinder. Magazine flow valve knocker pin: The AEG piston head. Pistol valve knocker: The AEG piston. Pistol trigger mech: The AEG gears and motor. Pistol nozzle: The AEG nozzle.

So with that analogy in mind, we want to increase the size of the cylinder and how much air it can store that can then be compressed and pushed out by the piston head and out through the nozzle and in to the barrel. To do this in our MK23, we need to look at the part that controls the amount of air that is let out of the magazine and up in to the nozzle, the magazine flow valve, and it's aftermarket upgrade: the Nine Ball Neo-R Flow Valve. You can learn more about cylinder volume ratios here.

Here's how it looks:

The packing is naturally pretty void of any English instructions, so we'll get to that later, but lets focus on what we can see. Firstly, the threading and size of this valve is only compatible with the Tokyo Marui magazine type flow valve threads - so clone magazine users looking for an upgrade, this is unfortunately not for you. Taking the part out from the package, the second thing we notice is that unlike the TM with it's thick spine and 4 ported holes around the valve chamber, the Neo-R valve opts for a single, larger port hole and thinner spine in the center of the valve chamber. Check them out next to each other.

What we can assume from looking at these images is that the Nine Ball will have less directional leakage than the TM as the single port only allows the gas to travel out one way instead of escaping from any of the 4 port holes that the TM has. With the single port and thinner spine, gas should be ejected immediately and in 1 constant directional flow; rather than being disrupted as it is trapped behind the valve and reaches the wall of the magazine housing, before finally having to push past the valve ports back through the center of the valve chamber out towards the port facing the nozzle. The image below better illustrates this explanation in the bottom panel, however the TM flow valve is as messy as it sounds.

In the image below you can see how the TM (left) and the Nine Ball (right) line up once install in the magazine housing. You can see that, at best, the TM can have 1 full port, or, half of 2 ports facing upwards towards the nozzle, depending how the valve is tightened.

The Nine Ball is able to have the full port facing upwards to the nozzle regardless of how the valve is tightened. This is where the Nine Ball really stands apart from the TM, as the entire valve chamber is able to freely rotate separately to the valve body and threads. This freedom of movement lets the user adjust the position of the port so that the full opening of the port faces up towards the gasket and nozzle, as seen in the images below.

Having the means to rotate the flow port gives the user direct control of flow permitted through the gasket, and therefore the eventual FPS per shot. This is a great feature for users looking for an alternate method of controlling their MK23's output where lower legal limits are required or a specific FPS is needed.

At this point, we can effectively say that the floodgates have been configured to allow for the maximum amount of pressurized flow to leave the magazine gas reservoir.

Unstoppable force vs immovable object

Having a fully functioning, super efficient floodgate is great, but also pretty useless if you can never get the gate open in the event of a flood. Just like the valve on a floodgate, there's a lot of pressure being held back behind that valve, and having too much pressure can become a problem, especially for our MK23's with their flow valve and the way they are designed to release the gas pressure in the magazine. To better understand the problem, let's look at some diagrams that explain the function of the flow valve in our magazine. In normal operation, upon trigger pull, the hammer strikes the valve knocker. The valve knocker then strikes the magazine flow external knocker pin with all of it's stored kinetic energy from the hammer strike. This kinetic energy is usually strong enough to de-compress the valve spring and move the knocker pin forward enough to disengage the seal at the other end of the pin inside the magazine reservoir, holding back all the stored gas pressure within the magazine. The seal is kept open long enough to allow a sufficient amount of gas through to propel the BB before the stored gas pressure and re-compressed valve spring forces the seal shut again from the inside, resetting the knocker pin in the same action and preventing the magazine from leaking out through the flow valve. We see this demonstrated in Diagram 1 below.

The success of the Diagram 1 operation is reliant on the kinetic energy of the hammer strike being greater than the kinetic energy of the stored gas pressure. If the force of the gas pressure pushing against the valve seal is stronger or equal to the force of the impact from the valve knocker, the valve knocker will fail to push the knocker pin far enough to open the seal and allow gas through. The gun will not fire as a result. We can see this in Diagram 2 below.

Now with that said, Laylax would clearly never release a product that would not be able function in normal operation without testing it. Unfortunately, their testing was in all likelihood conducted using HFC134a / Duster gas (or a propellant equivalent that kept the stock MK23 setup velocity under the Japanese legal limit of 1 Joule), and using such a gas meant that the valve knocker was always able to beat out stored gas pressure. Loading the magazine up with a much higher pressure gas (that would take the pistol well over the 1 Joule limit), such as propane, changes the function of the Neo valve considerably.

Have a look at the following image comparing a TM and Neo exterior valve knocker pin.

On the left, the TM valve knocker pin is clearly recessed in the magazine housing. On the right, the Neo valve is unnaturally seated outside of the magazine housing, by nearly 2 millimeters. This is not the Neo valves neutral position, without the gas, the knocker pin sits more recessed within the magazine housing, its only with the higher pressure gas does it sit so far out. We have chalked this down to higher pressure gas over compressing the seal and the flow valve spring, so that the knocker pin sits further out than it should on a lower pressure gas.

Whilst the knocker pin sitting further out than it should is not directly a issue, the amount of pressure pushing it out whilst using higher pressure gas is simply too much for the valve knocker to overcome, even attempting to push it in with a finger is noticeably hard. In addition to this, the valve knocker pin sitting further out also reduces the amount of travel that the valve knocker has to build up kinetic energy before impacting the valve knocker pin, only making it harder to fight the gas pressure.

During our testing using propane gas, it simply was not possible to engage the valve knocker pin using normal trigger operation, as demonstrated in the video below. For this reason, we cant not recommend that the Neo valve be used with any gas stronger than HFC 134a (Nuprol v1.0, Nuprol v2.0, Abbey Predator 144a), although your personal experiences may differ to greater success using anything with a stronger PSI. As a note, the stock TM flow valve operates without issue when using propane gas.

On that slightly disappointing note, we can return to the positive stuff, the super efficient floodgate! Now that we know we have to stick to lower pressure gas, we can really start to see the difference the Neo valve makes with it's fully configured and open port versus the stock TM flow valve using the same gas. Just take a look at the sheer volume of gas ejected through the valve with the Neo valve depressed!

It's visually impressive to see, much like all the fancy diagrams and design we have seen from Laylax so far. But enough with the light-show, does the Neo-R Bullet Valve have the data to back up the visuals? We need to know how it actually performs versus the stock TM. Time for the chronograph results.

Flash flooding

Our testing would be conducted using a single TM magazine, replacing the valves for each set of tests with the flow valve installed so that the port vent was in a fully opened position for maximum flow. Each test would see 8 shots of 0.20g BB's fired and measured on an Acetech AC6000 chronograph, with an average across the 8 shots taken as the result.

The following test configurations would be used on a TM MK23:

Test 1: Full gas capacity, stock valve, stock slide (stock 133m barrel, stock bucking), Nuprol 1.0 gas.

Test 2:

Full gas capacity, stock valve, stock slide, Nuprol 2.0 gas.

Test 3: Full gas capacity, stock valve, upgraded slide (Maple Leaf Crazy Jet 150mm barrel, Modify 50 degree Sora bucking), Nuprol 1.0 gas.

Test 4: Full gas capacity, stock valve, upgraded slide, Nuprol 2.0 gas.

Test 5: Full gas capacity, Neo valve, stock slide, Nuprol 1.0 gas.

Test 6:

Full gas capacity, Neo valve, stock slide, Nuprol 2.0 gas.

Test 7: Full gas capacity, Neo valve, upgraded slide, Nuprol 1.0 gas.

Test 8:

Full gas capacity, Neo valve, upgraded slide, Nuprol 2.0 gas.

Here's how the results came in, for suspense, we'll save the upgraded test sets after the first 4 stock slide configurations:

Stock slide tests 1, 2, 5 (Neo) and 6 (Neo):

Test 1: 306 FPS avg. Test 2: 338 FPS avg.

Result: A 22 FPS gain was had by upgrading to 2.0 gas on the stock valve and stock slide setup.

Test 5: 320 FPS avg.

Test 6: 342 FPS avg.

Result: A base increase of 14 FPS was seen by introducing the Neo valve to the magazine using the stock slide, with a 22 FPS gain had by upgrading to 2.0 gas. Shot FPS consistency remained higher for longer over the stock valve set of 8 shots on both gas types.

So far so good, the Neo valve definitely introduced a noticeable advantage to the magazine. But it was with the addition of the upgraded slide that things started to get funky, and perhaps... a little concerning.

Here's what we found for the upgraded slide tests 3,4, 7 (Neo) and 8 (Neo):

NB: The images are incorrectly labelled as "Nitro" instead of "Neo".

Test 3: 352 FPS avg. Test 4: 385 FPS avg.

Result: A base increase of 54 FPS was gained by introducing the upgraded slide setup, and a 33 FPS gain was had by upgrading to 2.0 gas using the stock valve and upgraded slide.

Test 7: 378 FPS avg.

Test 8: 390 FPS avg.

Result: A base increase of 33 FPS was seen by introducing the Neo valve to the magazine whilst using the upgraded slide, with a 12 FPS gain had by upgrading to 2.0 gas. Shot FPS consistency remained very good even after the upgraded slide setup was installed.

If you're thinking that those test readings are high, you're right, they are. Before you run off to the nearest site marshal, lets understand why our tests are shooting hot.

She's gonna blow

If you're at all familiar with upgraded barrels and buckings, you'll know that barrel bore size and length, bucking-to-barrel and bucking lip seal can all greatly increase performance and the properties of the gas and how it affects the BB. What we're seeing from our tests is a combination of the Neo valves unprecedented, huge flow flooding the nozzle chamber, providing maximum volume output to the barrel and bucking. In addition, we see the upgraded parts using that massive amount of output and extra volume by converting it to energy that is transferred to the BB to give it an increased velocity.

The combination of superior parts and the Neo valve have given us cause to rethink what normal and safe FPS limits can be achieved using the communities most popular parts in conjunction with the Neo valve.

It's at this worrisome point that we need to remember one of the Neo valves key features; the rotational flow valve port.

As we mentioned earlier, one of the key design aspects of the Neo valve is its means to rotate the flow valve vent to adjust the amount of gas vented up in to the nozzle - with a larger port providing more flow and a smaller port providing less. Thankfully, this feature works as intended.

Here is an 8 shot reading of the Neo valve installed, the port fully closed and with the upgraded slide and Nuprol 1.0 gas used:

An average of 225 FPS was observed, approx. 153 FPS lower than the full vented port results seen using the upgraded slide from Test 7.

Now 225 FPS is something we can all agree is a little more comfortable to see on the chronograph. This saving grace is the Neo valves true selling point, because not only is it able to blast out an incredible amount of volume on a low pressure gas, enabling maximum performance on the most popular community builds - but it can be safely adjusted to reign in that torrent of gas if it exceeds safe and site legal limits on a specific setup.

There is more to say on the safety matter however. At the price point that the Neo valves sell for, it's highly likely that MK23 users that are already using upgraded builds are going to be using the valves in their system, and whilst we would love to think that all MK23 users are going to be responsible - the Neo valve certainly opens up the opportunity for abuse. Since most site chronograph checks are performed using 1 magazine, it would be very easy for an abusive player to use an unmodified mag for the chronograph check, and then either swap out the stock valve with a Neo valve on that same magazine, or simply just use additional magazines which already have the Neo valve fitted. The same could obviously be said for some other upgrade parts and a number of other factors - but it's worth mentioning for honest MK23 users to be vigilant of other MK23 users with Neo valves installed that may or not be aware of the output they are cable of and whether there is an abuse of the part happening.

Get pumped

Moving on, we're approaching our conclusion. For an upgrade part that in most places is just shy of the cost for an extra, complete, magazine, the price is something of a difficult thing to justify to potential users; especially since you would need a Neo valve installed in every magazine to ensure a consistent shooting experience between magazines.

So who is ideally best to use this upgrade in their MK23? From our test results, we would firstly and primarily suggest this upgrade to a user who is already using a heavily upgraded build - ideally a carbine kit DMR setup. The Neo valves excel at providing an average of 25 FPS with a fully opened port, which can be great to bring up a carbine build to the much sought after 450 FPS benchmark without needing to find a barrel / rubber setup that achieves this figure naturally or by using a higher pressure gas like Nuprol 3.0 or Propane.

A similar recommendation would be to a fairly standard build user, opting to upgrade their magazines, both for output and shot to shot consistency without having to invest in a new barrel or bucking, or by changing to a different propellant. As our "stock" test configuration showed, we saw a average of 24 FPS gained just by installing the Neo valve and a shot consistency variation of just 4 FPS from shot to shot (which is super impressive on a gas gun).

Ultimately, as it always is with the upgrades, you as the user will need to identify whether the results are worth the investment. We've only touched on the potential of these valves (which nearly filled the bucket), and in the right systems - we expect to see some really optimal builds and results.

You can find the Laylax Nine Ball Neo-R Flow Valve available from retailers all over the world, but we would like to suggest heading Skirmshop NL, who supplied our flow valve for review, and giving their inventory a look whilst you pick up a valve for yourself. Here's a link (don't forget to apply the "onmymk" code for a few percent off if you decide to check out:

www.skirmshop.nl

Neo-R Flow Valve

We hope you find value in our review! Thanks for your time!

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